A ‘Catholic Hierarchy Secundum Quid “? A Misleading Illusion

 

A thing is named from its form, not from what remains when the form is absent.

 ...what is proposed under the name of a “Catholic hierarchy secundum quid” is not a hierarchy in any true sense, whether complete or partial. It is a misapplication of metaphysical language to a moral reality, resulting in a verbal construct without corresponding ecclesial substance. 



Prologue: A Return to First Principles

In times of doctrinal confusion, it is not uncommon to see philosophical terms recalled without due regard for their proper meaning. Words drawn from the scholastic tradition are employed, yet detached from the principles that once gave them precision and force.


Among such expressions there has emerged the notion of a “Catholic hierarchy secundum quid.”


At first hearing, the phrase carries an air of learning and seems to offer a way of preserving order amid disorder. Yet upon closer examination, it introduces not clarity but confusion: for it suggests that the formal reality of the Church’s hierarchy may subsist where its essential principle is lacking. This illusion is seriously misleading. 


Thus the question must be posed with precision:

Can a hierarchy be called Catholic in some respect while lacking that which constitutes it as such? Or does such a mode of predication dissolve upon analysis, leaving only a verbal construct without corresponding reality?

This we know, the Church of Christ is not a mere abstraction, nor a name imposed upon incomplete elements. She is a visible and juridical society, constituted by definite principles and founded upon reality, not appearance.


It is therefore necessary to return to sound philosophy and Catholic doctrine, that this question may be examined according to first principles, and the truth clearly established. 


The Argument 

Let the reader note that in the following argument “CT” stands for “Cassiciacum Thesis”.


...Proposition:  Conciliar Hierarchy is the Catholic hierarchy.


CT adherents:  "Distinguo".


  • That the Conciliar Hierarchy is the Catholic Hierarchy "simpliciter", "nego".  
  • That the Conciliar Hierarchy is the Catholic Hierarchy "secundum quid", "concedo" / "affirmo".


"Secundum Quid":  

  • That the Conciliar hiearchy is the Catholic hierarchy "materialiter", "concedo".  
  • That the Conciliar hierarchy is the Catohlic hierarchy "formaliter", "nego".  


See, it's not that hard.  


Just because they are the Catholic hierarchy IN ONE RESPECT ("secundum quid"), that does not make them the Catholic hierarchy in all respects ("simpliciter").  CT holds that these "hierarchs" have a legal right or appointment or designation to the office, but they do not and cannot formally exercise this office, this POTENCY to exercise authority due to the impediment of heresy.


TRAD CLERGY:  THIS IS NOT THAT HARD!  DUST OFF THE FIRST YEAR SCHOLASTIC PHILOSOPHY BOOKS, EH? 



What is the core claim? 

  • That proponents of the Cassiciacum Thesis affirm and concede that the “Conciliar hierarchy is the Catholic hierarchy in one respect (secundum quid). 
  • But that it is not the Catholic hierarchy in reality (i.e. simpliciter). 

Note too the further clarification: 

  • That being something “in one respect” does not mean being it “in all respects”


What is the conclusion Implied:

Precisely this: that according to the Cassiciacum Thesis proponents, the conciliar hierarchy:

  • is materially Catholic
  • but not formally Catholic


The argument is presented as:

  • simple
  • basic scholastic reasoning


And, take notice of the mocking order that those who argue against the Cassiciacum Thesis “dust off first-year scholastic philosophy books”



The Meaning of Secundum Quid

Let us quickly underline that in authentic Scholastic Philosophy, as taught by St. Thomas Aquinas, a thing is said secundum quid when it is predicated:

  • under a restricted aspect
  • according to something accidental
  • not according to its full nature


So? Something is secundum quid when it possesses a reality under limitation. 


The Nature of the Catholic Hierarchy

The hierarchy of the Church is not a vague or accidental reality. It is:

  • Moral
  • visible
  • juridical
  • formal by its very essence.


What constitutes a member of the hierarchy as such is not mere designation, but:

  • authority, jurisdiction; formally possessed and exercised within the Church.


When the formal principle is lacking, the thing is not present even imperfectly; it is absent in the order defined by that form.


Yes. Remove the formal element, and the hierarchy itself disappears. The hierarchy is not a body of men merely named, but a body of men invested with authority.


The Illicit Distinction

The proponents of the theory say:


That the conciliar hierarchy is Catholic simpliciter is denied.


But affirms that it is Catholic secundum quid. 


And they explain:

They concede that: 

  • Materialiter they are designated. 
  • But  that formaliter they lack authority. 


You see? This distinction appears scholastic. In reality, it is a misuse.

For it attempts to divide what cannot be divided.



Form, Jurisdiction, and the Exclusion Caused by Heresy

In juridical and ecclesiastical realities, what constitutes an office is not designation, but authority; namely, jurisdiction, which stands as the formal principle of the hierarchy.


What is sometimes called “matter” (designation, election, nomination) is not a true subject awaiting completion, but only a disposition toward office. The office itself comes into being only when the form, authority; is conferred.


Now this form is not absolute or self-subsisting. Jurisdiction is a juridical participation in the unity of the Church, and therefore presupposes communion in the faith as its necessary foundation.


Here the question of heresy becomes decisive. The defenders of the “Catholic hierarchy secundum quid” admits “the impediment of heresy”. 


But if heresy severs a man from the unity of the Church, it does not merely hinder the use of authority while leaving its possession intact. Rather, it removes the subject’s proportion to the form itself.


And where there is no proportion to the form, the form cannot be received.

Thus:

  • designation without jurisdiction already fails to constitute hierarchy,
  • and heresy removes even the capacity to receive that jurisdiction.


The conclusion follows with precision:

  • There is neither a formal hierarchy (since jurisdiction is absent),
  • nor even a material disposition properly ordered to it (since the subject is rendered incapable).

Therefore, what is proposed under the name of a “Catholic hierarchy secundum quid” is not a hierarchy in any true sense, whether complete or partial. It is a misapplication of metaphysical language to a moral reality, resulting in a verbal construct without corresponding ecclesial substance.


For in the Church, a thing is named from what formally constitutes it.


And where both the form is lacking and the subject is rendered incapable of receiving it, the reality itself is not verified; either simply or in a qualified sense. 



The Decisive Principle


  • A thing is denominated from its form; and where the form is absent, the thing itself is not verified, either simply or secundum quid, unless there remains a true proportion to that form.
  • But in the Church, jurisdiction is the form of hierarchical office, and this form presupposes unity of faith as its necessary foundation.
  • Therefore, where heresy destroys that unity, it removes not only the form (authority), but also the subject’s proportion to receive it.

Hence, no designation without jurisdiction constitutes a hierarchy; and no subject severed from ecclesial unity can be said to possess or even secundum quid to verify hierarchical authority.

What remains is not a partial hierarchy, but the absence of it under the guise of a name. 



The Abuse of Potency and Act

The theory further claims:

“these men possess authority in potency, though impeded from exercising it.”

This gravely  confuses the principles of act and potency.


Potency, properly speaking, is an intrinsic capacity ordered to act within the same subject.

But jurisdiction is not such a potency. It is a moral and juridical act, conferred from without by legitimate authority.


Authority is not a dormant quality waiting to be activated; it must be actually given.


At most, one may speak of a remote capacity to receive office. But there is no state in which jurisdiction exists as a latent or impeded form.


Therefore: one is not a ruler in potency.

One either possesses authority, or one does not.



The Decisive Historical Analogy

After the East–West Schism, the Greek schismatics retained:

  • valid orders,
  • and external apostolic succession.

In this limited sense, one may speak of a certain apostolicity secundum quid, insofar as the sacramental line endures.


Yet the Church has never concluded from this that they belong to the Catholic hierarchy in any respect.

Rather, her consistent judgment is clear:

  • they possess valid sacraments,
  • but lack jurisdiction,
  • and therefore stand outside the hierarchy as such.

This is decisive.


For if the notion of a “material hierarchy” had any theological validity, it would apply most fittingly in this case. Yet the Church does not employ such language, nor does she recognize in them any partial or qualified participation in her hierarchical structure.


The conclusion follows:

What lacks jurisdiction, even if it retains succession, does not constitute a hierarchy—neither simply nor secundum quid.



The Collapse of the Theory


The position seeks to maintain:

  • a hierarchy without authority,
  • a structure without form,
  • a reality reduced to mere designation.

But the hierarchy is constituted essentially by its form; namely, jurisdiction.


Remove the form, and nothing remains but the name.


Hence, the distinction between secundum quid and simpliciter is here misapplied.


For it is used to suggest a partial reality where the formal principle is entirely lacking.


What results is not a hierarchy in a qualified sense, but a verbal construct without corresponding reality.



Summing Up: Away With The Misleading Illusion 


The notion of a “Catholic hierarchy secundum quid,” when applied to a body deprived of jurisdiction, is not a legitimate refinement of scholastic thought, but a deformation of it.


For in the Catholic understanding, a hierarchy is not constituted by name, succession, or external designation alone, but formally by sacred authority, namely; jurisdiction flowing from legitimate mission. Remove this, and what remains may retain certain material elements, such as valid orders or historical continuity; but no longer verifies the formal notion of a Catholic hierarchy.


Thus the question is not whether something remains in some respect, but whether that which remains suffices to ground the predication “Catholic hierarchy.”

It does not.


Analogy, if it is to be sound, must preserve proportionality. To transfer the metaphysical distinction of matter and form into the moral-juridical order in such a way that a purely material substratum is denominated “Catholic hierarchy” is to stretch analogy beyond its limits and into distortion. In this sense, the expression “Catholic hierarchy secundum quid” becomes misleading.


For it attributes the formal note of Catholicity where the essential principle, jurisdiction; is lacking.

What is proposed, therefore, is not a true hierarchy in a diminished mode, but a subject lacking the form required to be so called.


It is, in effect: a name without the formal principle, a title without authority, a shadow of structure without the reality that constitutes it.

And the Church of Christ is not built upon shadows, but upon realities; visible, juridical, and divinely instituted.


Therefore, no Catholic theologian, faithful to the principles of sound scholasticism, can admit without grave qualification the notion of a “Catholic hierarchy secundum quid” as applied to a body lacking jurisdiction.


Yes. A thing is named from its form, not from what remains when the form is absent. 


Such a usage sows not precision, but confusion; and must be rejected insofar as it obscures the formal nature of the Church’s hierarchy. 





Comments

  1. Thank you Padre, for this scholarly piece. I await the response of those who hold the Thesis.

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    1. Father, can we bet $1 on if there is a response? I'm betting NO.

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    2. Father is responding to my post on X (Vlad Sarto), and, yes, there is a response. See, these comments above reveal the problem, where those who have already pre-determined that the Thesis is false (for various emotional reasons that I'll detail elsewhere), they're high-fiving one another and makingcomments about betting that there's no response. You bet wrong, BTW. You will pre-accept anything that happens to confirm your own prior bias (that's known as conformation bias), but pre-reject anything that does not. I'm happy that Father has finally agreed to elevate the level of discourse from the childishness that has transpired thus far, and I'm happy to debate Father if he's actually willing to be guided by the truth.

      I will accept true points and reject false one regardless of what side you're on. I'm actually a Totalist in that I don't believe the Conciliar hierarchy have even material possession of office, but for different reasons. Despite being a Totalist, the arguments from CT are most persuasive, and the vast majority of Totalist attacks on on it come from a position of ignorance.

      So, your point at the end about "authority" not being a "dormant quality" but must "actually be given" ... there's some circular reasoning there, with a begged question, and equivocal use of terms. What's at issue here is not authority but a potency to exercise authority. So .. a potency can also be "actually given", even if the potency is not actualized. When a priest is ordained, he receive an actual habitual potency (a power), say, to offer the Holy Sacrifice. Was the potency actually given to him? Yes. Let's say he never offers Mass (for whatever hypothetical reason). In that case, the potency was never actualized, and yet the potency was actually given. That's the equivocal use of terms here, ... and CT does not hold that they have "authority" but just a "potency to exercise authority".

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  2. A huge dig at those who hold on to the "Thesis".
    We cannot reject a "Pope" and his teachings and hierarchy, but yet say they alone have the power to elect a Pope.

    Thank you Father 🕊️

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    1. Thank you for putting "thesis in quote!!!!. About time. I call it pseudo" Thesis " from hell. Can someone be Catholic and accept it? John Raymond

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    2. What exactly do new Seminarians have to say on Pseudo Thesis? Are those who say they accept and those who don't have an opinion or outright reject treated differently? If they are... Saint Thomas Aquinas is disgusted. Vile. if so, This is coercion

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  3. Catholicism, extremely logical, compelling. Sedevacantism, logical, like a Geometry problem. Pseudo thesis? I could never understand it... I never got answers for my questions, objections. Johnraymondcpa@gmail.com if someone wishes to try to answer them. But it must be public. I always thought (in absence of Pope and strong #"of Catholic theologians, if proponents were serious they'd take questions from opponents and people investigating.
    John Raymond

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    1. Btw, I made my concerns to Bishop Sanborn by voice mail, and to MHTS by email discussion. Left contact info. They didn't defend their precious thesis to me. In Arian Crisis and Vatican II great apostasy, the learned (with exceptions) weren't the champions of the Church. Laity constantly belittled by v2 "clergy" ANF sometimes sede clergy. Folly

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    2. Are there some seminarians and/or Priests from MHTS that believed "thesis" was illogical, not Catholic or true... Yet gave into pressure and gave assent? More on this if as anyone answers. Fat chance of that.

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  4. I always wanted to be Catholic. I went to Vatican II schools and churches... Something wrong. I knew I wasn't Catholic, but wanted somehow to get Faith. Put in Scapular (I prayed Rosary daily for decades). Boom. Saw then- Father Sanborn and two clergy who would refuse me Blessed Sacrament (later SSPV) on show. Where did they come from??? My first view of CATHOLIC PRIESTS. Soon a sede. Ok. Si, I heard about this (pseudo) thesis. I never understood. I guess others might call me a totalist. But I am under no obligation to examineit, or call myself anything!! There is a list if what I must believe and this is after October1958. Why in the world would this be foisted upon remnant Catholics? To Further divide! Why???

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    1. (This is John Raymond. It shows as Anonymous. But because I don't know techn). I used to listen to MHTS, skipping pseudo thesis... But then Father DeSaye gave sermon... 4 types of sedes. His kind, the Chosen (I'm being bitter, not his words). And the rest ... Benny sedes and feeneyites (both not Catholic) and totalists (remember, I resent being called that, as I'm under no obligation... Except perhaps to refute errors)...so DeSaye lumps Us, Catholics in with heretics!!!

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    2. So, when we get a Pope, I will crawl in my knees to him to tell him of this outrage. Father DeSaye, and his 3 Bishops who failed to sanction him, and MHTS at large. Outrageous. And I also complain to Jesus and Mary.
      Bp. Sanborn is Mr. Black or White, Yes or No... Yet on this? What is going on??? I ask and ask again, if Prevost decides some sedes if he were to pretend to convert, I reject him now! As pope. So we have sedes who accept this deception and me, who will Never accept them. Btw, satan would gain a good deal of remnant if he pulled this. NOT ME! NEVER. A claimant who isn't Catholic doesn't get to become Catholic or pretend to be Catholic tp5 years later. Insane! Diabolical! Folly!

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  5. Last one. (John). Some sedes, on Substack etc have very wide view if who is Catholic... Who they show deference to. I wonder if # if Catholics is not smaller than sedes in general think? And maybe destined to get smaller? I have stopped reading many sedes... When they are illogical and won't clarify, that's it

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  6. Hold a PRE meeting (read pre Council... American, European, African, S America ...)... Invite SSPX, FSSP but limit what they can say.... Talk over, is conclaves imperfect possible. No pressure!
    But all my relatives, family dying, and (to human eyes) outside Church. I have converted NO ONE!!!! make topic COREDEMPTRIX AND MEDIATRIX OF ALL GRACES, A draft for when we get a Pope, for him to proclaim ad dogma, edit, or reject. She will give you a Pope. Probably from imperfect council confirmed by rain Peter and Paul descending from sky. CATHOLICS ACT!! And depend in Mary

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  7. Feenyism, home aloners recognize and resist, "CT thesis" , and of course VATICAN II.... All came from the Jews. Prove me wrong.

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    1. CMRI practice of remaining silent on going to Sspx freemasonic 1962 "mass" promulgated from freemason "I am Joseph, your brother" Roncalli is disgusting and will be a subject at final judgements of those who betray Catholicism by it

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  8. When dear Bishop Daniel Dolan (I try to put first name so a poor soul doesn't mistake for apostate Timmie) died RIP, 4 seminarians from SGG gave sermon before Ordination. I heard1 from Cincinnati, 1 from Nigeria, cannot say who. I thought, c what beautiful Catholic sermons... They could have been Priests for 10 years!!!!

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  9. Good article. It’s all the more reason to see the difference obvious, that the Catholic hierarchy has not vanished like many think, and is still in the world with the officeholders who haven’t defected. The are the formal Apostolic successors.

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